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 What is the max damage build?

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PostSubject: What is the max damage build?   Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:58 pm

I haven't mess around with concepts for awhile so I figured I would ask what is the best build for base damage.So no tomes and no using the same item in your end game item slot.So lets figure this out.

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PostSubject: Re: What is the max damage build?   Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:47 am

my guess arthus or prophet. Looks like prophet just from base stat gain 6 int per level * 40 + 56 starting dmg = 296. Arthus is starting 62 dmg with 5.5 str gain so 282... So unless they gain base dmg as they grow other than from stat I would say Prophet.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the max damage build?   Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:38 am

Well that settles the hero bases but what about skills and items ?

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PostSubject: Re: What is the max damage build?   Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:03 pm

I don't mean to ruin the idea... But this concept is pretty pointless. If I get 30X the gold as you do; I will have much higher damage.

In terms of items; there are 2X 1800 damage axes; grab 2X 900 damage sword with 30% chance to crit for 2.5 along with an immortals armor, and immortals essence. I am pretty sure this would offer the best damage output. With such high numbers, base stats dont mean a thing.

Skills: Corrupt Flesh (Unless you want to visibly see the damage modifier; then MOTW) combat master defensive, Bonus stats is the best straight up damage misc skill; but you cant max it with the other 2 choices Gward has a 30% aura that stacks with command; you could technically achieve this level of ward while still maxing your other skills. For your ultimate? crit master would be a silly choice; but would increase your DPS I guess. Personally, I would pick badger, for that inner fire buff.



Talking stats alone; no items, no skills, just a hero with their attributes... Agility heroes would win this one. Agility also offers attack speed; which is very important to your damage output.

In real game terms, strength would be your best bet; because they have command aura items; and their main stat is the most valuable to tome.

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PostSubject: Re: What is the max damage build?   Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:40 pm

Well I know it was pointless I just wanted someone to post something.

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PostSubject: Re: What is the max damage build?   Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:56 pm

lol, with that in mind... Does anyone have any ideas to contest my above posted one? I didnt put too too much thought into it. And the idea of -armor reduction as +damage is a really big thing. For example, -40 armor from a shield, translates to 13,000 EHP for every RHP of your opponent.

To compare corrupt flesh to MOTW: (I am rounding both numbers up a little, to make the math easier)
Assume MOTW is a 60% damage increase, and CF is -90 armor. Every 30 armor is +100% EHP.

Consider a base damage (from stats, because weapons are not improved by MOTW) of 2000, 200 armor, and 20,000 HP.
200 armor on 20,000 HP equates to ~153,000 EHP
MOTW would increase the damage to 3200.
CF would reduce the EHP to 93,000.
153,000/3200= 47.8 (attacks)
93,000/2000= 46.5 (attacks)

In this situation, corrupt flesh will allow you to kill your opponent 1.3 attacks sooner.

This of course leaves disables, cooldowns, purges, ect, out of the equation.

If you wanna discuss things properly.. bring out the calc!

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PostSubject: Re: What is the max damage build?   Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:31 pm

Single target wise CF is pretty hard to beat. Team wise against hopefully players who are smart enough to spread out MOTW would probably play out a little better. However the thing to remember is MOTW only considers stats while CF would increase all both stat and +damage. Still its no contest Id say between CF and MOTW. FF vs MOTW would make an interesting debate particularly between levels 24-30. I'm pretty sure after level 32 MOTW wins out but FF before hand might be a tad stronger.


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PostSubject: Re: What is the max damage build?   Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:40 am

Glorn2 wrote:
Agility also offers attack speed; which is very important to your damage output.

But in game it says "Does not affect attack speed"
Im confused now.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the max damage build?   Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:58 pm

Every item that gives Agi gives attack speed as well roughly half the attack speed of the Agi. Basically 800 Agi is max attack speed rather than 400.

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PostSubject: Re: What is the max damage build?   Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:36 am

Wrathtoruin wrote:
Every item that gives Agi gives attack speed as well roughly half the attack speed of the Agi. Basically 800 Agi is max attack speed rather than 400.

But I meant the stats, not the items.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the max damage build?   Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:40 am

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Single target wise CF is pretty hard to beat. Team wise against hopefully players who are smart enough to spread out MOTW would probably play out a little better. However the thing to remember is MOTW only considers stats while CF would increase all both stat and +damage. Still its no contest Id say between CF and MOTW. FF vs MOTW would make an interesting debate particularly between levels 24-30. I'm pretty sure after level 32 MOTW wins out but FF before hand might be a tad stronger.



Don't forget corrupt flesh has a nice splash in high levels meaning each person effected would need a counter while with mark only one person needs a purge to counter it.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the max damage build?   Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:03 am

You mean if they're dumb enough to be standing right on top of each other? Even with an ultimate like Whirlpool you would be hard pressed to catch the entire opposing team in it. Maybe if the entire opposing team is melee you might have something. Purge basically doesn't counter MOTW in duels. Sure if my allies are completely worthless retards and basically I'm the only one that actually gains anything from the buff then yea purge counters. However if my allies have a clue well you purge me mean while 2 other guys have the MOTW buff and are focusing you as you and your allies are focusing me. Very light counter it basically requires your team to out skill mine in order to be effective.

The one thing I will say is MOTW isn't so great on heroes with lousy cast times. One of the reasons I use OP aura and not MOTW on Dark Elf is because I lose about 2-3 attacks every time I cast it. In a team game for example I would only have a window of 3-4 attacks after casting the buff on myself + allies and then be force to start the whole process of rebuffing everyone again. If someone has purge well it simply isn't worth the hassle at all. ^_^ I guess it depends on the hero and the allies they have.

Oh to answer you wojteo stats do give attack speed. Interesting note is Bonus Attribute do not give attack speed.


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PostSubject: Re: What is the max damage build?   Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:58 am

carefulibite wrote:
Oh to answer you wojteo stats do give attack speed. Interesting note is Bonus Attribute do not give attack speed.

Thats exactly what I wanted to know Razz
But I remember times, when it was written "only base agi does give attack speed", why glorn have changed it to "does not give attack speed" instead? THATS A LIE!!!
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PostSubject: Re: What is the max damage build?   Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:08 am

it is a lie; and i will fix it ^_^

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